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	<description>occasional thoughts by john borthwick</description>
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		<title>By: skiing goggles</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-218173</link>
		<dc:creator>skiing goggles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great stuff</p>
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		<title>By: THINK / Musings&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ongoing tracking of the real time web &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-217437</link>
		<dc:creator>THINK / Musings&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ongoing tracking of the real time web &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and by machines &#8212; there is a surprising amount of diversity within the real time stream as I posted about a while [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and by machines &#8212; there is a surprising amount of diversity within the real time stream as I posted about a while [...]</p>
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		<title>By: THINK / Musings&#187; Blog Archive &#187; charting the real time web OR the curious tale of how TechCrunch traffic inexplicably fell off a cliff in December</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-217202</link>
		<dc:creator>THINK / Musings&#187; Blog Archive &#187; charting the real time web OR the curious tale of how TechCrunch traffic inexplicably fell off a cliff in December</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and by machines &#8212; there is a surprising amount of diversity within the real time stream as I posted about a while back.  Two charts are displayed below.    On the left there are bit.ly decodes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and by machines &#8212; there is a surprising amount of diversity within the real time stream as I posted about a while back.  Two charts are displayed below.    On the left there are bit.ly decodes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: erandomthree</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-216712</link>
		<dc:creator>erandomthree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 02:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points JB and its nice to see you&#039;re back!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points JB and its nice to see you&#39;re back!</p>
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		<title>By: coloncleanse34</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-215238</link>
		<dc:creator>coloncleanse34</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yea good points john</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea good points john</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Vickers</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-215100</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Vickers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;haven&#039;t seen you in ages...&lt;br&gt;great to see you on CNBC-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;damon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John!!!!</p>
<p>haven&#39;t seen you in ages&#8230;<br />great to see you on CNBC-</p>
<p>damon</p>
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		<title>By: gbattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks JB. Looking forward to more data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks JB. Looking forward to more data.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnborthwick</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-214227</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnborthwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg to your first point -- you are correct some encodes and decodes arent in the real time stream -- but most of them are.   I would love to see the data you ask for in the dash points -- most of it isnt available.   The API at bit.ly is simple and it doesnt require as service provider to register -- so its only a subset of partners who register.   Similarly if you shorten something on bit.ly&#039;s web site and then cut / copy / paste it elsewhere (ie: email) we can track where the encode was created but not where it was shared.   I will share more data as we figure out how to collect it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg to your first point &#8212; you are correct some encodes and decodes arent in the real time stream &#8212; but most of them are.   I would love to see the data you ask for in the dash points &#8212; most of it isnt available.   The API at bit.ly is simple and it doesnt require as service provider to register &#8212; so its only a subset of partners who register.   Similarly if you shorten something on bit.ly&#39;s web site and then cut / copy / paste it elsewhere (ie: email) we can track where the encode was created but not where it was shared.   I will share more data as we figure out how to collect it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnborthwick</title>
		<link>http://www.borthwick.com/weblog/2009/09/13/diversity-within-the-real-time-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-214226</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnborthwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kortina I agree. Most feed readers used the metaphor of email inboxes -- messages that you were meant to read, vs. streams to browse.    My guess is that some feed readers are going to get a whole new UX in the coming year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kortina I agree. Most feed readers used the metaphor of email inboxes &#8212; messages that you were meant to read, vs. streams to browse.    My guess is that some feed readers are going to get a whole new UX in the coming year.</p>
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		<title>By: gbattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, Kortina.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The largest publisher/subscriber broadcast streaming ecosystem is television.  USENET, feed readers, and Twitter all follow the beauty of televisions&#039; asymmetrical sharing of information where on-demand consumption values urgency over comprehensiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, Kortina.</p>
<p>The largest publisher/subscriber broadcast streaming ecosystem is television.  USENET, feed readers, and Twitter all follow the beauty of televisions&#39; asymmetrical sharing of information where on-demand consumption values urgency over comprehensiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: gbattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I too am glad to see you write about diversity within the real-time stream.  However, you&#039;ve approached the conversation with a huge assumption regarding bit.ly - that all of the encodes/decodes represent real-time activity which I believe is false.  A bit.ly encode doesn&#039;t define a real-time action or even real-time intentionality - the channels where the shortened URLs are shared and clicked does.  I would imagine that a growing number of bit.ly encodes are merely for URL tracking through traditional channels or just the condensed URL footprint, hence, we should be very careful about what bit.ly data approximates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Is there a more accurate consumption breakdown of the channels today?&lt;br&gt;- How has channel consumption changed over time? (growth, momentum, moving average, etc.)&lt;br&gt;- What channels outside of real-time channels have seen growth? (Email, RSS, forums, blogs, etc.)&lt;br&gt;- What type of directionality is there for cross-channel sharing? (Virality from channel to channel)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that a little more transparency regarding diversity would not only provide people with insight into channel growth and usage, but also inspiration for valuable new businesses to innovate upon the bit.ly stack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>I too am glad to see you write about diversity within the real-time stream.  However, you&#39;ve approached the conversation with a huge assumption regarding bit.ly &#8211; that all of the encodes/decodes represent real-time activity which I believe is false.  A bit.ly encode doesn&#39;t define a real-time action or even real-time intentionality &#8211; the channels where the shortened URLs are shared and clicked does.  I would imagine that a growing number of bit.ly encodes are merely for URL tracking through traditional channels or just the condensed URL footprint, hence, we should be very careful about what bit.ly data approximates.</p>
<p>- Is there a more accurate consumption breakdown of the channels today?<br />- How has channel consumption changed over time? (growth, momentum, moving average, etc.)<br />- What channels outside of real-time channels have seen growth? (Email, RSS, forums, blogs, etc.)<br />- What type of directionality is there for cross-channel sharing? (Virality from channel to channel)</p>
<p>I believe that a little more transparency regarding diversity would not only provide people with insight into channel growth and usage, but also inspiration for valuable new businesses to innovate upon the bit.ly stack.</p>
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		<title>By: kortina</title>
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		<dc:creator>kortina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad to see you mention Google Reader in this conversation--it&#039;s an easily overlooked member of the stream category ( I actually read your post on Google Reader mobile in blackberry browser because I don&#039;t have a good twitter client and browsing any stream is the way I spend downtime on my phone--these streams are definitely of the same category, behaviorally for me.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was thinking about this after reading your post, and I believe that Twitter has actually taught me how to use Google Reader. I used to think of Google Reader like my email inbox, because there are read/unread statuses with each article.  The overwhelming number of messages on twitter and lack of read / unread status, however, made me realize that you cannot consume entire streams like you would do with email.  You just jump in, browse around the recent stuff, and jump back out. Streams are reminding us just how much data is flowing through our lives everyday and that attention is a choice given only to some bits of data.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I imagine we&#039;ll become acclimated, again, to deferring more attention choices to editors / curators of content as we become dissatisfied with just turning on the stream and seeing what&#039;s at the top--we&#039;re going to need some way to filter/reduce the flow of these streams to something that fits the finite bits of time we devote to these floods of data passing by us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad to see you mention Google Reader in this conversation&#8211;it&#39;s an easily overlooked member of the stream category ( I actually read your post on Google Reader mobile in blackberry browser because I don&#39;t have a good twitter client and browsing any stream is the way I spend downtime on my phone&#8211;these streams are definitely of the same category, behaviorally for me.)</p>
<p>I was thinking about this after reading your post, and I believe that Twitter has actually taught me how to use Google Reader. I used to think of Google Reader like my email inbox, because there are read/unread statuses with each article.  The overwhelming number of messages on twitter and lack of read / unread status, however, made me realize that you cannot consume entire streams like you would do with email.  You just jump in, browse around the recent stuff, and jump back out. Streams are reminding us just how much data is flowing through our lives everyday and that attention is a choice given only to some bits of data.</p>
<p>I imagine we&#39;ll become acclimated, again, to deferring more attention choices to editors / curators of content as we become dissatisfied with just turning on the stream and seeing what&#39;s at the top&#8211;we&#39;re going to need some way to filter/reduce the flow of these streams to something that fits the finite bits of time we devote to these floods of data passing by us.</p>
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